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Frequently Asked Questions About Salicylates
Revised August 4, 2003

 


Contents
Salicylate Assistance for Members
Interim Updates regarding Salicylate Products/Ingredients
What are Salicylates?
How do I know if a product contains herbs or salicylates?

What else can you tell me about how to determine if the ingredients in my product are *Sal-Free or not?
What happens if I use products containing salicylates while taking guaifenesin?
How do salicylates block Guaifenesin?
Is there another explanation?
Do Salicylates interfere with the normal excretion of phosphates in ALL people, even those without FM?
Are the phosphates coming out of the muscles if I'm blocking; will they float around and cause me pain?
How will I feel if I block?
Is it possible to partially block Guaifenesin's action?
What is partial blocking exactly?
How can I be sure I'm not blocking (Blocking Test Instructions)?
What is the procedure for adding a new product to my daily regimen if no-one can ascertain if it contains a salicylate or not?
If I use a product containing salicylates how long does it take to get the salicylates out of my system?

What do I do if I need aspirin for another condition?

What products do I need to avoid?
At the back of Dr. St. Amand's and Claudia Marek's book it gives a list of several pages of natural Salicylates to avoid, including many foods; I thought eating food didn't block, why are they listing these?

Why can't I use my herbal medicine?
Why will herbal medicines block guai and herbal foods won't?
Why do topical products containing salicylates block?
Does it block when we have skin to skin contact with someone who is using a topical product containing salicylates?
Do I need to change my diet?
What dish washing liquids are salicylate free?
Should we avoid laundry detergents with phosphates?
Is there anything I should be careful about when gardening?
How do I tell if vitamins or supplements contain plant extracts?
What about hairdresser visits; washing, coloring or perming my hair etc.?
I've heard many talk about changes in urine, can I tell if I'm blocking by watching my urine?
Are all ingredients listed on every product?
Why are Toothpastes such a Salicylate concern?
In SAL-free toothpastes, I still get a "cool" feeling. Does that mean there's mint?
Are there salicylates in seeds?
What about vitamins; do they contain salicylates?

Sal Search Tips

Interim Updates re Salicylate Products/Ingredients regarding products edited and removed from the Sal-Free list go to the Guai-Support mailing list and members can access them in the Archives anytime.  They can also access information about any ingredient or product which has been discussed on the list.

What are salicylates?

Salicylates are material made in all plants to fend off soil bacteria and pests. The reference that all plants make salicylates is: "Science" (VOL. 266e November 18, 1994).

If an ingredient is a chemical, no matter the origin, it is considered okay and will not block, with the following exceptions: if it has "sal" in its name referring to salicylates (acetylsalicylic acid, homosalate, etc.); or if it is anywhere on the Sal-Full list (camphor, artificial wintergreen, etc.) particularly its Salicylate synonyms listing.

A number in an ingredient typically means it's a synthetic chemical, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's not a salicylate also. There are lots of synthetic sal's, 'aspirin' being among them.  

Also see:Sal-Full Products and Ingredients Synonyms of "Salicylic Acid"

Typically, if a chemical with one number is not a sal, then the same
chemical name with a different number is also not a sal. Conversely, a salicylate chemical is still a sal, no matter how the number changes.

If a product is composed entirely of ingredients from animals (other than bees) and/or chemicals (with the exceptions indicated above), we can be sure of not blocking.

Chemicals extracted from plants are no longer considered plants because the process used to do the extraction makes them no longer "natural". If the ingredient is a "chemical" name then it no longer contains salicylates (with the exceptions mentioned above).

Basically we are trying to avoid plant parts in products, as opposed to a single ingredient removed from a plant.

Plant parts include when you see a plant name listed by itself; or with words like "leaf", "seed", etc. after it; or with the words "extract", "essence", "oil" after it.

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How do I know if a product contains herbs or salicylates?
You must read the labels of anything you apply to your skin, even lipsticks. The most complete ingredient list is often found on the original package, the one you threw away when you opened the product, or even the one the store threw away when they unpacked the case. If the label is vague or incomplete, call the manufacturer for a list of ingredients. Check our Products Containing Salicylates and Salicylate-Free Products web pages.
See:
Getting Product Information. Members may post a question to the Guai-Support group mailing list after following all the procedures in the above document and the 'SAL' topic guidelines.  Another good resource is the paperback edition of A Consumers Dictionary of Cosmetic Ingredients by Ruth Winter, MS, ISBN 0-517-88196-9.
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What else can you tell me about how to determine if the ingredients in my product are *Sal-Free or not?
Except for very unusual and new ingredients, Sal-Mentors don't do anything anyone else can't do as well after some time getting used to the protocol.  We know it is confusing and scary at first, but it really isn't a difficult process to check all the ingredients in your products.  You quickly come to be a sal expert by following this process.  It is just a matter of following a couple of steps.  You might want to print this out as a confidence booster next time you need to check a product. 

 

1) First and most obvious, any ingredient with 'salicylate' as part of its name is sal-full. Related names can be a problem as well, such as 'homosalate.'  Also scan for any obvious herbs, plant ingredients or extracts that you know are sal-full; aloe, chamomile extract, apricot oil, etc. This can help you quickly discard some products without even needing to check other ingredients,

 

2) If your product passes this initial look, check each ingredient against those in the Sal-FreeTM Ingredient list. This is now so easy since you can page right to the appropriate letter category. You could also use the FIND function on your web browser to search for the ingredient name. Remember that if you have 2 names to an ingredient and both are found on the list, then your ingredient is also sal-free. For those ingredients you don't find on the sal-FREE list,

3) Check against theSal-FullTM list. For those not found yet,

4) Check against the Sal-Unsure list*. For those STILL not found,

5) Do an archive search on the ingredient. There are many ingredients OK'd in the archives which are not on the lists. For those ingredients STILL not found,

6) If you are still having trouble finding the ingredient it is time to get serious. <GRIN> Many times you can find what you need in a simple dictionary (for instance if the ingredient comes from a plant or animal, or is a mineral). Anything from an animal or mineral source is sal-free, but plant ingredients should be looked at more closely.  In all honesty, at this stage I usually just do a general internet search (use your favourite web browser) for the offending ingredient.   That can often tell me a great deal about the ingredient, particularly its source.   The Sal-Research Tips is also a great way to focus your search.  I am not going to repeat all that info here though so as not confuse things.  If you are still unsure about an ingredient it is likely time to send it to the list for us to have a look at.   Please only mention the ingredients you have been unable to find.  This sal stuff really isn't very difficult if you take it step by step.  It only gets tricky when you come across new ingredients, and that is when the Sal-Mentors* will be happy to help you.  Send your questions to the list.

What happens if I use products containing salicylates while taking guaifenesin?
If it completely blocks the action of Guai, reversal of your FMS symptoms will cease and you will regress into the condition once again. If you partially block reversal time will be extended.  The good effects of guaifenesin are very easily blocked by aspirin (a salicylate) in its many hidden forms. Tiny, tiny amounts on the skin will do this. Razors with aloe strips are sufficient to block as is
Camphor and Castor Oil in deodorants, Lipsticks and many Lip balms; these and other salicylates are sufficient to block all benefits.
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How do salicylates block guaifenesin?

The kidney (proximal renal tubule) contains receptors to which guaifenesin attaches. Unfortunately experience indicates that those receptors prefer salicylates to Guaifenesin and that, since there are only so many receptors available (we don't know how many) once occupied by salicylates, there are no parking spaces left for the guaifenesin.  Apparently a small amount of salicylate can thus block a large amount of guaifenesin. That's why it has been proposed that taking more guai will not overcome a known blocker.  However, we are apparently very individual in our susceptibility to blocking.  Some are very sensitive and others not so much.
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Is there another explanation?
Here's our favorite from Maury, whose new pain management technique is to place his tongue firmly in his cheek and grin:

There seems to be much confusion by new guai users as to the relationship between guaifenesin and salicylates. I hope the following helps, but I warn you to be sitting when you read this.

When you ingest guai and it enters the circulatory system (known by insiders as the Roadway). The guai produces millions of nanobot white dump trucks programmed to enter your cells and take on a load of chemical waste (known by insiders as black goop). These white dump trucks will last for 12 hours, and then their tires fall off, and they begin to
disintegrate. Finally all that is left is a few of the more durable truck pieces and the load of black goop now referred to as Guai Kill.

This is where you had better be sitting down, because of what I am going to tell you next.   There is a conspiracy of the drug companies to place salicylates in every product they can to control the Roadway. When the salicylates enter the Roadway, they turn into billions of black nanobot 18-wheelers that pick up any telltale signs of the white dump trucks and deposit them in the black hole through tunnels in the kidneys.

To make matters worse there is a rumor that some of the salicylates turn into black nanobot vultures that feed on the guai kill and then re-deposit it back into the cells. Because there are so many more of the black 18-wheelers hogging the roadway and the only two gates to the black hole, few if any white dump trucks can complete their mission. I hope this helps to clear up the confusion. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE.
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Are the phosphates coming out of the muscles if I'm blocking; will they float around and cause me pain?
No.  The phosphates are not drawn from the cells when you are blocking the Guaifenesin with Salicylates. They don't float around causing pain.   It's as if you were not taking Guaifenesin at all.  No Action.
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Do Salicylates interfere with the normal excretion of phosphates in ALL people, even those without FM?
Dr St Amand theorizes that people with FMS have a genetic defect, i.e. lack the natural enzyme necessary for processing phosphates, thus the necessity of using guaifenesin to open the tubules.  People without FMS have said natural enzyme, ergo Salicylates block Guai not phosphates. 
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How will I feel if I block?
Insufficient dosage or blocking are just like not treating the fibromyalgia at all, and the illness begins to cycle in the unfavourable, worsening direction.

In general there is no way to predict how you will feel.  It depends on your individual genetics, how long you've been on Guai, how much you've reversed and how you've been feeling before using the suspected product.

If one is still in the phase where Guai is making one feel significantly worse then using a suspected sal product would probably make you feel better and stopping it make you feel worse.  If, OTOH (on the other hand) one is feeling lots better on Guai then using a suspected sal product could make you feel worse and stopping it make you feel better.

Whatever point you are at it *could* take a few days to notice something  and even then you could mistake it for either the good or bad part of a cycle.  The further along you are in your recovery the longer it is likely to take before you could differentiate blocking from cycling.

This is why it is recommended that people make every effort to find  someone to map them.  It is the only objective way to determine improvements, and to detect blocking. 

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Is it possible to partially block the Guaifenesin's action?
Yes.  Partial Blocking is often somewhat harder to detect than complete blocking and merely lengthens the recovery/reversal time.
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What is partial blocking exactly?
Partial blocking occurs when Salicylate in numbers LESS than available kidney receptors arrives in the kidney at the SAME time that guaifenesin does. As these receptors attract salicylate like a magnet, Guai can't bind to them. They are OCCUPIED. IF some receptors are still free then guai has a partial effect by binding to the limited open receptors.

This comes down to quantity. IF there are 2000 receptors in a kidney and 1000 salicylate molecules arrive then 1000 will be available for guai to bind to. Hence partial blocking.

Another instance of partial blocking can occur when salicylates are in the kidney for a brief time.  They occupy all receptors for a while.  If one is taking a time released medication, some of the guai Ė during a 12 hour period it is active - will be flushed out.  This is a more IFFY situation as we have no idea how long a salicylate molecule can remain bound to a kidney receptor.
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How can I be sure I'm not blocking (Blocking Test Instructions)
Relevant only when one has already reached a recovery cycling dose.

If you suspect you are blocking increase your dosage by at least 100 mg for quick acting Guai and 200mg to 300mg for long acting Guai.

For those on the higher doses of long acting Guai the blocking test isn't as definitive and will require you raise your dose by 600 mg, test for a longer period and be aware that any changes will be subtle.

Wait 3 weeks after starting progesterone before testing. 

Don't test till you've been using the product for at least a couple of days but 3 or 4 would be better:

  • If the increase in dosage causes an increase in any of your symptoms or an increase in your cycle frequency, you are not blocked.

  • If however you DON'T experience any increase in symptoms or cycle frequency you may be blocked, or  you may have reached your kidney's capacity for elimination (the latter is least likely),

  • To ascertain which is the case, stop using any non-essential products and get all your products assessed by a sal-mentor.

  • If you experienced change in your symptoms when you eliminated products then you were blocking - if it didn't change then it's likely you were not blocking and have probably reached your kidney's capacity for purging (this is most likely on the higher doses).

  • If you were blocking you can continue using any products which were assessed as ok & go back to your previous dose - discontinue using any of your other products which cannot be confirmed as completely *Sal-free and continue focusing on your experience.

  • Don't add any product to your daily regimen unless it can be ruled *Sal-safe.

  • Theoretically it could be hard to know whether one is blocking or has reached their maximum purging dose if there is no reaction to the raised dose but at that point you'd be going off the product you suspected anyway.  Wait a week or so and raise the dose again without the suspected product.  If you still get no increase of symptoms then it is most probable that it wasn't the product blocking but rather you'd reached your maximum dose.  I don't think many people have reached their max. dose within the range we usually work with however and a non response is most likely blocking.  Yes it is difficult and thus it's best to be very careful what you use

It is recommended that all other identifying methods of blocking should also be utilized, noting any change in cycling symptoms:

  • aquarium urine testing for PO4,

  • stop and start the product and note any changes

  • map your body lesions (lumps) to see if there have been any increases.

Partial blocking is much harder to detect.  The prevailing wisdom is that one doesn't take risks with *Sal-suspect products (some *Low-sal items might merely partially block) but, if you do choose to:

  • use only at your own risk if you feel you must

  • use only when you are certain you've titrated to your correct dose

  • don't use at all if you are extra *Sal-sensitive

  • test as per all the above while using it

Written by Tesa Marcon as per her understanding of how the protocol works, various things said by Dr St Amand and taking into account questions asked by members at various times. 

The instructions were first sent to the mailing list in April 2000 and have been expanded on here.

Copyright Tesa Marcon April 2000.  All rights reserved.

Members can contact a Sal-mentor privately if;
- your map or the blocking test indicate you are possibly blocking;
- wish to submit a product to the *Sal-Free catalogue;
- you have discovered a product in the *Sal-Free catalogue which is no longer safe. 
These notifications will provide the very necessary opportunity for the Sal-FreeTM Products catalogue to be updated for the benefit of everyone.
*Sal-mentors:
Wendy Howard & Tesa Marcon

Sal-Consultants (no contact by members): Ellen Rakes, Sandra Reher & Terry K

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What is the procedure for adding a new product to my daily regimen if no-one can ascertain if it contains a salicylate or not?
It is best not to add any product to your daily regimen unless it can be ruled Sal-FreeTM or Sal-Safe*. If however you decide to go ahead anyway ensure it is the only variable then do the blocking test.  Do not take chances until you are well on the road to recovery.

 

If I use a product containing salicylates how long does it take to get the salicylates out of my system?
We are not entirely sure how long any given ingredient will block each individual.   It depends on the ingredient/product. Aspirin compounds (synthetic ones) are out of the system in 24 hours. The barks, however, are converted by the liver to a long-lasting form of salicylate, so the barks may take longer to clear out.  How much one is blocked by salicylates depends on the genetic factor, so it varies from person to person.  

Some people use blockers from time to time, but we don't advise that anyone use them on a regular basis unless they have to take aspirin for a heart condition. Then it should be something you work out with your physician(s). See next Q&A.
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What do I do if I need aspirin for another condition?
There are several options.  In the past people were advised to take guai every other day if they needed aspirin for a heart condition, to protect against stroke, etc.   Or a baby aspirin and continue with guai.   Only slightly more than 50 percent continued to reverse that way however.  Discussion has been carried out on the mailing list about two alternative meds available in the USA.  Check the archives for Plavix and Ticlid.  Ticlid does require testing, every 2 weeks for 6 months. But Plavix does not.  The disadvantage is that both are very expensive.  One member informed us that Plavix will not work when one has Anti-cardiolipinantibody syndrome.  If you are on other blood thinning drugs be sure to discuss taking Guaifenesin with your doctor because Guai is also a (mild) blood thinner.

I don't know the exact names of these drugs in other countries but I'm sure your doctors will know.

Vit E has been recommended by some doctors and a member has stated that it helps her.  Her doctor recommends 1000 IU of Vitamin E to prevent stroke.  He tries to use natural and non-pharmaceutical choices whenever possible:
http://www.cc.nih.gov/ccc/supplements/vite.html

ALL of these options should be taken only in consultation with your own physician.
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What products do I need to avoid?
Check the Sal-Free & Sal-Full Products pages on this web site and see other articles in the Salicylate section of this web site.  See links on the right.  See the back of 'What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Fibromyalgia'.
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At the back of Dr. St. Amand's and Claudia Marek's book it gives a list of several pages of natural Salicylates to avoid, including many foods; I thought eating food didn't block, why are they listing these?
That list is talking about ingredients in cosmetics that are applied to the skin or as medicinal dietary supplements.  Many cosmetics & supplements have "natural" ingredients such as apples, strawberries, avocado, olive oil, etc.  These are OK to eat in their natural, unconcentrated form, but not OK to rub on the skin in any form.  Eat your olive oil, strawberries, avocados, thyme, garlic, etc., just don't rub them on your skin or take their concentrates in dietary supplements (herbs in dietary supplements and cosmetics are highly concentrated & very potent).   Cooking with flavoring herbs such as bay leaf, garlic, peppermint, rosemary, cumin, etc. is SAFE. 

 

Why can't I use my herbal medicine?
In the concentration of plant parts used to make herbal medications, the acid content rises high enough to block the guaifenesin at kidney level. Thus you can take no herbal medications or use any skin creams which contain herbs, including aloe products.

It is possible a person may start or end a cycle when they block or unblock the guai, but there's no way of predicting this. The general guide is that using a sal-full product, intentionally or unintentionally, can block for one to two days. It's just not possible to say how many hours a specific herbal ingredient will block for or what the effect on a person's cycling will be. The main thing is to avoid sal-full products wherever possible and if you do decide to use a blocker for a short time, just carry on with the guai as usual.

Keep in mind that often there are sal-free alternatives to sal-full products we may not know about, and so we can post to the group asking for suggestions. Also keep in mind that symptoms mimicking colds/flu may come up for some people during a cycle, and we don't want to stop the cycle by using an herbal, sal-full product.
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Why will herbal medicines block guai and herbal foods won't?
The medicines are concentrated. They are usually distilled or extracted and contain lots more of whatever plant it is. The liver processes the small amounts of salicylates in cooking to salicylate tagged with glycine, which apparently weakens the offender. When herbal medicines or plant concentrates are taken by mouth, there are often sufficient salicylates to overwhelm the liver's capacity to glycinate and thus, the kidney gets a dose. So the herbal medicines are out, and herbal seasonings are in. The same principle holds for herbal teas. Herbal teas you buy in the grocery store are OK, because they're weaker. Herbal teas from health food stores that are strong and medicinal are concentrated and too high in salicylates.
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Why do topical products containing salicylates block?
When applied to skin, lips, mouth membranes, the salicylates are rapidly absorbed and get to the kidneys without benefit of first passing through the liver.
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Does it block when we have skin to skin contact with someone who is using a topical product containing salicylates?
Not much to worry about with the general public at all - even if you are shaking hands with people.  It can generally be assumed that such topicals have been absorbed well before you come in contact with them.  Your spouse/lover is another matter however.  If s/he has just applied a sal-full lotion, lip balm or lipstick etc., and there is lots of intimate contact, it could transfer to you just as if you had put it on yourself.   Don't worry too much about casual contact, but if you find yourself in intimate situations where you know the product has been recently applied is rubbing onto you, it's a good idea to help them to find sal-free products.
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Do I need to change my diet?
The part diet plays in fibromyalgia is uncertain at this time, except for those people who also have carbohydrate intolerance (hypoglycemia.) The hypoglycemia diet is covered in another section.
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What dish washing liquids are salicylate free?
Dish washing liquids are all fine except some health food store ones made with herbal soaps and seed oils.
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Should we avoid laundry detergents with phosphates?
No, detergents with phosphates are no problem.
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I'm a gardener. Is there anything I should be careful about?
Wear gloves. Some guai users wear the thin latex ones doctors wear. Plants, especially mint, marigold, geraniums, and rosemary, are quite high in salicylates.The Feingold Association which deals with salicylate sensitive people does caution people about gardening. It has also been mentioned to not walk barefoot in freshly cut grass. Some even go to the extent of wearing long sleeve shirts and long pants when working in the garden to avoid any possible blocking.
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How do I tell if vitamins or supplements contain plant extracts?
Read the label, call the manufacturer, contact the Guai Group check the Sal-FreeTM Medicinal Items listing
Getting Product Information. Members may post a question to the Guai-Support group mailing list after following all the procedures in the above document and the 'SAL' topic guidelines.  Another good resource is the paperback edition of A Consumers Dictionary of Cosmetic Ingredients by Ruth Winter, MS, ISBN 0-517-88196-9. See:
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What about hairdresser visits; washing, coloring or perming hair etc.?
Since it is not something you do on a daily basis, no need to be concerned. Most of the problems occur in any conditioning product that might be included in the visit (also home dying packages ).
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Iíve heard many talk about changes in urine, can I tell if Iím blocking by watching my urine?
No. Urine, alone, cannot be the guide to know if you are blocking or if you are re(verse)cycling. Some people re(verse)cycle fine and have no noticeable changes in their urine. Mapping is a much better and reliable way to see if you have been blocking. If you see no changes in your map from the last time, you are possibly blocking or not at your correct dose.
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Are all ingredients listed on every product?
No. In the U.S.A, Australia & New Zealand, and perhaps some other countries, medicinal type products, such as toothpaste, ointments, lip balms, medicated rubs, sunscreens etc, do not have to list every ingredient and in many countries complete ingredient lists are not required on any product at all.  In the above countries it is a requirement that all ingredients be listed on supplements and non-medicinal products (cosmetics for instance).  Also, as long as the ingredients are listed somewhere on cosmetics, even on the outside of the bigger box, it meets the requirement for those countries. You should always check the ingredients in your cosmetics before buying, even those listed on the Sal-Free list, and again each time you buy them anew; companies can change formulations with no notice. Keep the packaging each time you buy a product and use that as a guide. See also Getting More Information.
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Why are Toothpastes such an issue?
1.  Fluoride toothpastes are considered medications and thus all the ingredients don't have to be listed.
2. Toothpaste is brushed into the gums and we suspect that the salicylates would get into the blood stream via the abrasions this would cause, thus avoiding processing by the liver.

 

In SAL-free toothpastes, I still get a "cool" feeling. Does that mean thereís mint?
Not necessarily.  Ingredients commonly found in toothpaste are Xylitol & sorbitol which will also cause that "cool" feeling.

Australian Guai'ers can click on this logo to purchase Xylitol & Sugar Free Belgium Chocolate only.   Other products are blockers. 

Visit Xlear Australia

Anyone not following the Guaifenesin protocol can purchase any and all Xlear products.

 


There has been a lot of work done to get the specifics on toothpastes and it hasn't been easy.
 Many members have blocked in the past on them for quite long periods so itís best to stick with those listed here.  There is further discussion of the problem with flavors in Getting More Information If you have further questions about toothpastes, write to the list under the SAL topic.
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Are there salicylates in seeds?
The sal status of most fruit seeds is unknown. We do know that "grapeseed extract" is high in salicylates and therefore not okay to use with the guai protocol.  More

It very important to distinguish between "Grapeseed Extract" (Sal-FullTM) and Grapefruit Seed Extract.  Also important to distinguish between "Grapefruit Seed Extract" and "Grapefruit Peel extract" (Sal-FullTM).

As far as I know, all other fruit seeds/pits/kernels should be avoided in topicals (and in supplements, except as filler) as we do not know if they are blockers. This includes such things as: "Apricot Kernel Oil", "Peach Kernel Oil", "Cherry Pit Oil", "Palm Kernel Oil", and "Quince Seed".

Remember that chemical derivatives from these ingredients are fine. An example: "Palm Kernel Oil" (Sal-FullTM) but "Palm Kernel Acid" (Sal-FreeTM).
by Heather Vaughan, August 1, 1999.
*updated by Tesa. Marcon April 26, 2001

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What about vitamins; do they contain salicylates?
V
itamins extracted from plants and fruits should be no problem (since they are chemical compounds) as long as they don't add alfalfa, parsley etc. which adds to the concentration of salicylates.  (Subject Re [GG] HG-DIET: Help getting started GUAI-SUPPORT Archives, November 16, 1998)

All plants make salicylates. When eaten in foods, the amounts are tiny (the vegetables are not concentrated enough to do us harm). The liver gets the tiny amounts and processes it to salicylate tagged with glycine, which apparently renders the offender less blocking. When applied to skin, lips, mouth membranes however, the salicylates are rapidly absorbed and get to the kidneys without benefit of first passing through the liver.

When herbal medicines or plant concentrates are taken by mouth, there are often sufficient salicylates to overwhelm the liver's capacity to glycinate and thus, the kidney gets a dose.

Regarding vitamins. A good rule is:

1. One B-complex per day--the cheaper the better since you are basically trying to get;
(a) B-6 10 mg. per day
(b) Folic acid 400 micrograms/day and, 
most of it goes out in the urine anyhow--the body is able to reject unwanted B-complex.

2. Add one Vitamin E 400 mg. (units) per day

You then have a rather good antioxidant load.

The problem with beta carotene (Vitamin A) is that there have been four adverse studies on its use. More cancer of the lung in smokers using it;

- more birth defects in women taking it,
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more heart attacks in a large doctor's study and another
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It would seem that we have plenty in our foods (any vegetable with color) to satisfy our needs. The liver seems able to store up to a six month supply.

I hope this helps.

I would add to please check with your own doctor before taking potassium. It is NOT innocuous and should not be taken without medical supervision.Paul St. Amand

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